It Simply Is! Interview with Dr Shyam S. Singha
Shyam Singha, D.O., D.Ac., a doctor of both osteopathy and acupuncture, with a practice that also includes naturopathy, homeopathy and meditation. His students have included Dr. J.R. Worsley, the renowned English acupuncturist and educator, and Dr. James Gordon, the holistic physician and author from Washington, D.C. who serves on the faculty of the Georgetown University School of Medicine. He also was a close friend and later a disciple of Osho. In this interview with Dr. Daniel Redwood, Dr. Singha’s unique and uncompromising perspectives on health, diet, meditation, and personal power come through in a lively interchange marked repeatedly by unexpected turns in the road. Singha has a great aversion to becoming stuck in ruts of any sort, and he is dedicated, as a teacher and a medical practitioner, to using all the tools at his disposal to enable others to escape the cages of their own making
REDWOOD: I want to ask you some questions I have heard you answer before, to bring the answers to people who will be reading this.
SHYAM SINGHA: No, hold on. First of all, the answer will not be the same. Second thing, this may sound very funny to you, but I am not talking to you . . .
I have nobody to influence, I have no one to convert, I have nobody to follow me. I have not written a book for 35 years. [If I had] they would tie me to the book, saying “Bloody fool, you said that ten years ago, why today are you saying this ?
REDWOOD: Emerson said consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds.
SHYAM SINGHA: That’s why I speak of “bibliographical mind.” That means we give a list at the back of the book, the bibliography. “This has been said before, therefore what I am saying …. is actually accurate.” I’m not interested in accuracy. I’m interested in touching the heart. I may tell fibs to touch the heart, so they may call me a liar. Do you think people who think that lies are the opposite of truth, know the difference between them? Have they ever felt the difference? What is it like? What is truth? The truth of today is the lie of tomorrow.
REDWOOD: Does whether it is truth or a lie come from the intent?
SHYAM SINGHA: Everybody is doing it every day, every moment. Mother is doing it to the children, the husband is doing it to the wife, the boss is doing it to the employees, you are doing it to your son. The moment there is some gain to be had, in that game you are going to tell lies, because you want to get something.
SHYAM SINGHA: For that moment, yes. At that moment the heart wants to touch another heart.
REDWOOD: Does meditation open the heart?
SHYAM SINGHA: The word “meditation” itself has to be understood. Meditation is your birthright, like sleep. Sleep is a birthright. If you can go out of, or be lost in the mind, you can also come in to the mind. It’s your birthright. The question is, we can discuss how not to meditate. To meditate is your birthright, and you have to find your own way.
REDWOOD: How should I not meditate?
SHYAM SINGHA: By dissipating your energy in a hundred million different spaces. There’s a very beautiful story about that. The disciple is leaving the master [after a visit] . . . he is walking very happily outside the door, and the master says to him, “Only one thing. You can think of anything else, but don’t think about pink elephants.” Now of course the poor devil can’t think about anything else except pink elephants, and the story is, he gets enlightened because there’s only one thought left.
So, that which helps also hinders. One moment it will help, and if you want to repeat it again, it will hinder. Now you’re frustrated. You thought you found the answer. And therefore your answer is wrong.
REDWOOD: What kind of healing qualities come to people from meditation?
SHYAM SINGHA: If you’re seeking healing qualities, you won’t get it. It comes of its own. If you demand healing qualities from meditation, you are looking for a needle in a haystack.
REDWOOD: This is what I was telling a patient of mine last week who has leukemia. Regarding meditation, she was saying “what if it doesn’t help my leukemia? I said, “if you’re going into it just to help your leukemia, it may be better not to start.”
SHYAM SINGHA: Have you ever heard of “placebo?”
SHYAM SINGHA: But have you heard the word “nocebo?”
SHYAM SINGHA: We do nothing else but put nocebos in the human brain. Parents do it, physicians do it, politicians do it, priests do it; police sergeants do it. Everybody’s putting nocebos in.
REDWOOD: Wait, I was thinking of a nocebo indicating “pain,” like in “nociception.” What do you mean by it?
SHYAM SINGHA: Nocebo means “negative thought process.” “No!” You’re carrying more no’s than yes’s. Thou shalt not do this, thou shall not do that. Twelve Commandments…
REDWOOD: I’m familiar with ten. What are the other two?
SHYAM SINGHA: The eleventh is that there are no commandments. The twelfth is, “Thou shalt not be found out.” Nobody should be able to find out.
REDWOOD: I assume that people come to you for many reasons. Are there certain kinds of ailments, or certain kinds of people, that you feel you are most effective with?
SHYAM SINGHA: There is no fixed pattern. None…
REDWOOD: So you are always open to what presents itself?
SHYAM SINGHA: Whether it’s AIDS or cancer or depression, it doesn’t matter. That’s only the name. I’m not treating the name. I’m not putting a diagnosis on my cases. When they come, they already know that I am a “crackpot.” They already know they have to take their bloody clothes off. They already know they will have to do something drastic, like dancing naked in front of a mirror until they fall down. If they don’t want to follow it, they cancel the appointment. If I find out they haven’t done it, I don’t give them another appointment. I tell them “you’re wasting your money and my time.” So nobody does that.
REDWOOD: Was there a time when all doctors were like this?
SHYAM SINGHA: Why do you ask that question ?
REDWOOD: Well, it seems so rare now. Is there a tradition from which you come, in which you believe, in which this is the normal way of doing things? Because it’s not normal now. Not here.
SHYAM SINGHA: The dictionary meaning of “doctor” is “teacher.” Not [someone] that takes away the pain. So if you can’t teach, you are only celebrating somebody’s pain. Or suppressing somebody’s pain… Or replacing somebody’s pain… You haven’t enabled them to not create the pain.
. . . Once in a while a phenomenon happens, an Einstein phenomenon. And when he [Einstein] is dying, you know what he said? He said, “Oh God, if I am ever born again, make me a plumber, not a scientist,” Because he created so much misery, by giving knowledge into the hands of fools, who are more destructive than constructive.
REDWOOD: What is the moral of that story?
SHYAM SINGHA: The moral of that story is, “Thou shalt not throw pearls in front of swine.”
REDWOOD: What should we do with pearls?
SHYAM SINGHA: Make a necklace.
REDWOOD: Do you feel that the positive value, if there is any, in modern technological medicine, outweighs the harm that may come from it?
SHYAM SINGHA: Modern medicine in many ways is good. If you’re run over by a truck, no voodoo is going to save you. You’ll need the beautiful hand of a surgeon. I’m talking about unnecessary pill-pushers, unnecessary prescribing.
REDWOOD: How about the use of radiation, diagnostically or therapeutically? I sometimes feel that if x-rays had never been invented, overall it would have been better, although I use them sometimes.
SHYAM SINGHA: Do all chiropractors use x-rays?
REDWOOD: Nearly all.
SHYAM SINGHA: In 35 years, I have taken x-rays probably three times.
REDWOOD: Which times? Why?
SHYAM SINGHA: The brain was not giving an answer. And if the brain is not giving an answer, you should neither fool yourself nor the patient . . .
Tell me, if you went with a glass of water to the tenth floor of whatever the biggest petroleum company in this country is, and you said to them, “I can convert water into petrol, do you think you would come down the elevator again?
SHYAM SINGHA: Good. So most of civilization is run by four items; armamentaria, locomotion, pharmacopia and insurance.
REDWOOD: I understand armamentaria. What do you mean by locomotion?
SHYAM SINGHA: Trucks, cars, airplanes. Movement. Pharmacopia and insurance… You take those four out, and there are no roots. You can’t grow your principal food.
REDWOOD: Do you feel that all doctors make their living from people’s suffering?
SHYAM SINGHA: Most surgical interventions become obsolescent within 10 years, and obsolete within 15. Surgeons perform the unnecessary operations not because they are needed, but because the surgeon wants a swimming pool in his back yard. These are not my words. These are the words of the Surgeon General of America.
The hospital is run by 10 departments. So you send them unnecessarily to those 10 departments because you want to maintain those10 departments. Not because it is a necessity. 13.8 percent of diabetes happens because of the glucose tolerance test.
REDWOOD: Are you saying the test itself causes people to begin to be diabetic?
SHYAM SINGHA: When a person is diabetic, if you will give him no sugar, and put him on a diet, and not give him the bloody glucose tolerance test, he will not have a shock. You will avert 13 out of 100.
REDWOOD: Do you ever recommend that test?
SHYAM SINGHA: No. I will check the urine and pinprick and then put him on a diet
REDWOOD: What kind of diet?
SHYAM SINGHA: That’s the million dollar question.
REDWOOD: Depends on the individual?
SHYAM SINGHA: There is no panacea. There is no Elixir.
REDWOOD: What kinds of factors do you base it on? Do you base it on the Indian Ayurvedic system, or the Five Element Chinese system, or on a synthesis which is within you ?
SHYAM SINGHA: Synthesis. When you have an eye of depth, you will see that all systems somehow or other interconnect. Ayurvedic has five elements, Chinese has five elements. Chinese have heaven, earth and man. Ayurvedic has three gunas; air, water and fire.
REDWOOD: But the definitions don’t overlap exactly. Fire in one is not exactly fire in the other.
SHYAM SINGHA: True. But the concept, once you understand the body, and look deeper into it, it fits in. Then you are at a level where you can understand another physician from another group altogether. Like let’s say a surgeon goes from here to Indonesia, where another surgeon has done a similar procedure . . . they will understand each other.
Surgeons never want to call themselves doctors, you know that? They are called “Mister.”
In indian culture. When a physician reached a stage where he could see these things, he was not called a physician; he was called “Kabiraj,” “King of Poetry”
SHYAM SINGHA: Because the body is poetry now. He is a physician, but he is looking at the rhythm of the chakras, so he is “Kabi.” Same thing happened with the Chinese. When he reached a stage of thankfulness, he was no longer an acupuncturist. He wouldn’t stick them with a needle. So you see it’s the same. I’ll give you an example.
You take homeopathy. One says, “No, no, no! You have to take a constitutional remedy.” The other says, “No, no, no! You’ve got to remove the miasma.” [Miasma refers to what homeopaths consider to be three general categories of illness/imbalance. Everyone falls into one of these categories]. The third one says, “No, no, no! First you’ve got to get rid of the symptoms.
REDWOOD: Is there no one answer?
SHYAM SINGHA: Can’t be!
REDWOOD: Can healing therefore come from any one of many approaches?
SHYAM SINGHA: In society (now please listen to this very carefully) it is not what you know, but who you know. In society, in healing, it is not what is given, it is who is giving.
The patient rings up, and says, “I’ve got this disease and this disease.” I say, “Okay, take this, this and this.” The patient says, “But I have already taken this, this and this that you are recommending.”
You know what my answer is? I tell them, “Do it now, and see what happens.” They might have done it before, but they were doing it with a doubt in their mind. Now Shyam has said it, and they are doing it without any doubt in mind.
REDWOOD: Would you say that standardization of care, which is such a highly valued quality in western medicine, is therefore a mistake?
SHYAM SINGHA: Totally.
REDWOOD: How then does a patient, or a licensing agency, determine which approach is dangerous, which is helpful, and which is neither?
SHYAM SINGHA: You have to teach the precepts first. Then create a situation where these precepts can be broken. A bandwagon quack, not trained properly, can be dangerous.
REDWOOD: By “bandwagon quack”, do you mean someone who follows the rules all the time?
SHYAM SINGHA: No. A bandwagon quack is someone who thinks that modern medicine is bull@!$%#. Who thinks he has found “the way,” and he calls modern medicine all…. [knocks on table twice…]. Nothing on this earth is not useful, but we fall into a trap.
Doctors practice fueled by fear… You want to practice; first you have to have malpractice insurance. So you are afraid before you started.
[Notices other people around him have finished eating]. I have become a slow eater, or what?
REDWOOD: You’ve been talking. Maybe it’s that you chew well also.
SHYAM SINGHA: Chew well! What was the name of that Canadian, who said chew the food 40 times? By the time he was 40, he ground down all his teeth. Gurdjieff was ticked off by a Sufi master, who was giving a discourse while they were having the meal. Gurdjieff was sitting right in one corner. He heard somewhere that you had to chew the food 40 times. The Sufi master gets annoyed, and he says, “You are taking away the bloody work of the stomach!!” It will shrivel. You’ll get dyspepsia. So, that which helps also hinders. You can do things beyond.
REDWOOD: Would it be reasonable then to say that moderation is a virtue?
SHYAM SINGHA: Nothing is a virtue. Sometimes moderation is needed, sometimes total license. So don’t feel if you’re moderate, “I am pious, I am good, I have no faults.” How would you know what good and bad is, if you don’t know anything about faults? Do-gooders are a pain in the neck. They bring more harm than good.
REDWOOD: If we shouldn’t “do good,” what should we do?
SHYAM SINGHA: Movement… Response… Spontaneity… What the Chinese masters say: “Find…fix…forget” If something does not work, do not feel deflated. If something does work, do not feel elated. Look, the beauty of that is if something works, you will remember it. If you use it next time, how do you know it is going to work again? You are not finding and fixing and forgetting. You are remembering the formula.
REDWOOD: And then applying it inappropriately.
SHYAM SINGHA: To someone else who doesn’t need it. And if something doesn’t work, how do you know that that very same thing is not going to work better next time.
REDWOOD: Is all healing intuitive?
SHYAM SINGHA: What is the meaning of intuitive?
REDWOOD: Comes from within you, not based on deductive thought processes or something you were taught in school.
SHYAM SINGHA: When you play the piano, you have to learn, “do, re, mi, fa” and all the bloody things, all the scales and everything. Then one day something happens, and now you can create your own music. You must learn your precepts, and then make music.
REDWOOD: If someone comes to you, and says they want to become a healer, what might you say to them?
SHYAM SINGHA: I tell them to go learn a discipline first. No matter what discipline it is, go and learn a discipline.
REDWOOD: Is it important to always be thankful?
SHYAM SINGHA: Yes. This has to come not from word of mouth. It has to come from somewhere very deep down, where you say “Listen, I don’t deserve it, but you’re so kind to me.”
REDWOOD: Do you think the food we eat should be reflective of the climate in which we live?
SHYAM SINGHA: That’s the idea of Michio Kushi and Oshawa [macrobiotics] because they wanted to flog Japanese rice.
REDWOOD: It was in Edgar Cayce too, and elsewhere.
SHYAM SINGHA: What I’m trying to say is that you have to make this temple [points to his body] right. If your eating is wrong, it doesn’t matter what food you eat. Ayurveda says that once you have sat down at a table, you give thanks and eat stones, and it will be digested. Every time you take a fork and say “My God!” [his facial expression indicates scowling rejection of the food], now you have made yourself ill.
The only time you have to think about food is when you are preparing or buying it, not while you are sitting and eating. Eating means “Eat!” If you start thinking about what to eat while you are at the table, you produce acid and you will destroy everything.
There were 20 people, and a woman walked in, and she was furious, because this Sufi had put her son [who was quite ill] on a vegetarian diet for one month. She walked in, and there was meat and chicken, and she was shouting [because the man himself was eating meat, while he had told her son not to.] So the Sufi lifts the lid off the dish, and a [live] chicken walks out. He said, “The day your son can do that, he can also have chicken.”
Now you have to listen to me with a pinch of salt. It has nothing to do with the food. What I am trying to say is that it is the one who is eating it. Once you are here, eat and thank: “Hello carrot, how are you?” [He eats a carrot].
Suppose you are a vegetarian and she is a non-vegetarian, and you are sitting at the table. Now you are a finicky vegetarian. You look at her eating, and you think, “That food, it is killing her.” You think you are doing yourself a favor? You are producing acid, and she is enjoying herself. She is celebrating.
REDWOOD: So if we are truly in tune with our own needs, maybe anything is good?
SHYAM SINGHA: You are getting there. It is not the food. It is who is eating it. That doesn’t mean epidemics won’t happen, food poisoning won’t happen… But that also means that you will eat [only] when you are hungry.
REDWOOD: We were planning to go out for dinner last night, but we weren’t very hungry, so we just had a banana, and that was fine.
SHYAM SINGHA: This is very good.
REDWOOD: Thank you very much.
SHYAM SINGHA: Well, I enjoyed talking to myself.
©1995 by Daniel Redwood
Recognized as a leader in his field, Dr. Redwood is the author of three books, including the textbook, Fundamentals of Chiropractic (Mosby, 2003), which reviewers have called “the most important book on chiropractic in the last decade” and “simply the best text yet published.” He serves on the editorial board of Journal of the American Chiropractic Association and is Associate Editor of The Journal of Alternative and Complementary Medicine, the world’s leading research journal in the field.